Ultegra vs. Rival

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Postby Nozzle » 19 Dec 2011, 14:20

Hi All,

After the recent demise of my frame (cracked on Sunday), I'm keen to make the move to carbon with a budget of around $4k.

At the moment I'm tossing up between a Cervelo S2 ($3200 with Cheeky) with with Rival and a Pinarello FPQuattro with Ultegra ($4k Clarence St) (both with crappy wheels).

Any input will be handy. I've never ridden SRAM so it is foreign to me, but will save me some coin if it rides well. I also presume there are fans of both Cervelo and Pinarello. My aim is to start racing next year so race geometry is a must.

Cheers,

Noel

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Postby Lizanne » 19 Dec 2011, 14:53

can't give you any technical advise. but i recon the Cervelo looks heaps nicer!

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Postby Stuart » 19 Dec 2011, 15:05

re the Pinny, I'd give George at Endeavour Cycles a call. I'm sure he'd do a better price than Clarence St. I got my Pinny (FP3 - which looks to have been replaced by the FPQuattro) there and also looked at the Cervelo. Ride was harsher on the Cervelo & not as comfortable but better racing geometry with stiffer frame - also lighter I'd wager. I like the look of the Pinny better, but it's all personal.

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Postby Nozzle » 19 Dec 2011, 15:22

Thanks Stu. Will do.

But the main question: Rival or Ultegra?

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Postby Karzie » 19 Dec 2011, 15:40

Six of one vs half a dozen of the other I reckon. You should go and have some test rides and do some empirical comparisons, then come back and tell us what your conclusions are.

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Postby othy » 19 Dec 2011, 15:59

What groupset did you have your old bike?

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Postby weiyun » 19 Dec 2011, 16:20

With $4k budget, I'd be thinking about building a bike from components. As you've already noted, cheap wheels are common on showroom bikes. You may be better off in getting a superior frame online and go from there.

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Postby Dougie » 19 Dec 2011, 16:29

I concur with Stuart. Call George at Endeavour cycles in Gymea. He has sold me two bikes and spent a considerable amount of time fitting them to me. He sells both Cervelo and Pinarello. With my recent purchase George walked me through Cervelo, Pinarello and Specialized. He then walked me through Dura Ace and Ultegra. Although I had an open mind I really didnt communicate much to him beyond my budget. He really hit the nail on the head though without me having to vocalise my ego driven, poor excuse for wanting a new bike, when you are a shabby ar#@ed cyclist, poor reasons.

I have Ultegra. He explained why I would be having Ultegra. I nodded. He explained why I would be having Ultegra pedals and not Dura Ace pedals. I nodded. I have a Specialized. He explained why I would be having a Specialized. I nodded. I have Mavic Wheels. He explained why I would be having Mavic Wheels. I nodded. It went on like that. At the end he said to me that if i then said to him that i want a different frame and setup HE would have nodded. But I have to say. He came in under budget with a frame, groupset, wheels and setup that makes me want to sing.

Can't help ya with Sram!

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Dougie

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Postby Stuart » 19 Dec 2011, 17:03

got a few more $$ ? http://www.cyclingexpress.com/cycle/bmc ... white.aspx

or ask Amy about this one >> http://www.cyclingexpress.com/cycle/bmc ... naked.aspx

only till Friday .. I'd be tempted.

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Postby jermxx » 19 Dec 2011, 22:05

I think that the Rival weighs less than the Ultegra, although I could be completely off base (and I'm packing at the moment, so I'm not bothering to actually, you know, look it up). It is cheaper though, and I reckon its great. That said, the rear cluster is noisier in SRAM, so having worn out the chain and gotten a new set of wheels, both my chain and the rear cluster are now Shimano.

In summary, Rival is pretty good.

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Postby Camilla » 20 Dec 2011, 07:50

I'm having all the trouble in the world with my SRAM rival levers at the moment. I should say over the past year in fact. It's just that it's really only this weekend that I came out of denial, hit the wall (or - literally speaking - the top tube) and threatened to chuck by entire bike off a cliff. About 3 times. The left lever has been non-responsive for a while, so that it often takes 4 or 5 clicks to go from the big chain ring to the little one. By which time you're on the hill, out of the saddle, struggling up the incline with full body weight plus power driving through the cranks. Only then does the chain suddenly drop into the little ring ... you can imagine the results.

About 2 months ago the right lever went funny coming back from Waterfall. It ended up snapping off altogether! Metal fatigue by the looks of it. Steve hogg had put the bike together for me so Geoff took it into the shop for me and sent both levers down to SRAM. Some weeks later ... bike is back. Right lever fixed. Left lever still a nightmare. It was just out of warranty and they charged me for the repair anyway. But this is a bike that's only done about 10,000km, on a very generous estimate. And I'm pretty gentle with gears (because I usually forget to use them). And levers just shouldn't snap off like that!

Geoff's lending me some Ultegra he's got lying about (who doesn't?) so I can do the Alpine Classic. Love affair with SRAM is well over. There may even be divorce proceedings if they want to charge me for re-building the left lever again.

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Postby Camilla » 20 Dec 2011, 08:56

You're right Weiyun. I think they replaced a bit. Not a re-build. the left lever i think they just didn't look at.

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Postby weiyun » 20 Dec 2011, 10:29

I understand that Campag's ErgoPower brifters are good for 10,000 to 15,000km before needing a rebuild ie. Replace a pair of G-springs. I further understand that Shimano brifters typically will last for 20,000km or more before failing, but it'll be a throw away job. Presume SRAM is similar.

Back to the Ultegra vs Rival question. Knowing they are both from reputable brands, shouldn't the decision be made through actual user preference? Take a ride and see how you like the feel of the brifter in your hands and the way shifting works. The decision will and should be subjective.

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Postby Camilla » 20 Dec 2011, 10:47

Brifter! I had thought at first it was a typo, but now I have a new word. verified by Google, so it must be true. Thanks Weiyun.

I suppose the thing with my SRAM is that I love the feel of them, and the way they work, but the brifters are just a bit shonky. And it's not that I'd done 10,000km before that happened. The rest of the group set I have no complaints about at all, but if a wealthy aunt pops out of the blue and asks me what I want for Xmas I'll be requesting Ultegra.

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Postby weiyun » 20 Dec 2011, 10:59

I appreciate your displeasure on the Rival. Failing at under 10k is most disappointing.

Wasn't Rival the introductory groupset for SRAM when they entered the market? Or was that Force? If so, then it could be one of those early production issue that can happen to all products. Not batting for SRAM but just curious if it's a poor batch or whether it's something that's persisting in the current production run.

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Postby timyone » 20 Dec 2011, 11:36

I'd go ultegra, though what do your friends use? You can then borrow tools

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Postby geoffs » 20 Dec 2011, 14:41

I'd go for the ultegra also. Sram front derailleurs aren't as good as campag or shimano.
Campag are completely rebuildable where as shimano isn't. Shimano levers last a very long time.
As to wheels, i wouldn't touch mavic with a 10' barge pole. They are crap and if you ride the ones with alloy inserts and spokes which corrode if ridden in wet weather, good luck if the wheel ever needs truing.
Go and buy some good hubs (chris king, white industries.....) and some rims like velocity a23, mavic open pro or some american classic if want light weight and get a good wheel builder to put them togeter for you. If you must buy low spoke wheels have look at Fulcrum

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Postby Nozzle » 20 Dec 2011, 18:48

Thanks all. I'm steering towards ultegra. Will be test riding a Focus Izalco Pro 3.0 with Sram Force on Thursday (weather permitting). Once I get a feel for how this shifts, I might have a better idea.

Also, now I've had a good look around i'm struggling on taking a stance on manufacturer. At the $4k mark there is a lot of good bikes to choose from. Saw a Cannondale SuperSix with Ultegra for $3600, a Bianchi Sempre with Ultegra for $3500. The list goes on.

I might have to go with the one that looks pretty...

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Postby geoffs » 20 Dec 2011, 20:45

I've seen too many bianci's with cracked frames. Not recommended

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 21 Dec 2011, 11:29

Avanti Ultegra. Very pretty...

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Postby Nozzle » 22 Apr 2012, 05:52

Finally got approval from my wife for the purchase. No doubt my birthday and chrissy present for the next year or so......

Bought a Giant TCR 0 with Ultegra Di2 from MC Cyclery. Fitting booked for next week so with any luck will be on it next Sunday.

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Postby Lizanne » 22 Apr 2012, 13:01

MC in the city or marubra store?

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Postby Nozzle » 23 Apr 2012, 07:23

City. Clarence St.

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Postby Lizanne » 23 Apr 2012, 08:29

Ya, i'm about to buy one there. The guys are great, and you should totally come out for the hills ride on thursdays.
http://mccyclery.com.au/event/5-hills-ride/2012-04-26


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