Mudgee Road Opens - 12-13th July

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Postby T-Bone » 06 Jun 2008, 15:30

Well, yet another road Open is on the way soon. This time it's Mudgee!!!

The saturday race is a 90-100km handicap (depending on where i look). I haven't been to Mudgee for a few years, but in the past it's always been a great race, not too hilly, not too flat. Not sure if the course has changed.

The Sunday race is a scratch race, and for pretty much all of us the distance will be 80km, as i don't expect anyone to be in Div 1.

Overall it looks to be an enjoyable weekend, so let me know if you're interested in coming along. Entries close on the 29th of June, so you've got a bit of time, though I notice Nick has entered already :D .
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Postby williamd » 06 Jun 2008, 17:23

I'm in.

If anyone needs a lift let me know early.




Bike riders are like drug addicts they are always peddling.

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Postby geoff m » 06 Jun 2008, 20:30

I'm in.

If anyone needs a lift let me know early.




Bike riders are like drug addicts they are always peddling.
Bill - I knew if you tasted your first race at Dapto, you would have this insatiable desire to enter them all!

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Postby williamd » 07 Jun 2008, 13:32

Anyone else going to Mudgee.

It isn't that far to travel.

Geoff said. He who hesitates is lost.

So just do it.

Bike riders are like drug addicts they just keep peddling.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 09 Jun 2008, 01:40

I'll probably be in, I have unfinished business with this road thing. Is it a Saturday morning leave time? I would like to race track friday night...

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Postby T-Bone » 09 Jun 2008, 10:12

Yeah saturday morning travelling, probably leaving at 6:30-7am, depending on how much stopping is wanted along the way. Driving time should be 3.5hrs approx.

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Postby brego » 09 Jun 2008, 12:34

Well, yet another road Open is on the way soon. This time it's Mudgee!!!

The saturday race is a 90-100km handicap (depending on where i look). I haven't been to Mudgee for a few years, but in the past it's always been a great race, not too hilly, not too flat. Not sure if the course has changed.

The Sunday race is a scratch race, and for pretty much all of us the distance will be 80km, as i don't expect anyone to be in Div 1.

Overall it looks to be an enjoyable weekend, so let me know if you're interested in coming along. Entries close on the 29th of July, so you've got a bit of time, though I notice Nick has entered already :D .
Entry cut off is 29 june not july . the more , the better , for us for hcp grading rgds nickb

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Postby brego » 09 Jun 2008, 15:32

hi everybdy who is interseted in going to Mudgee Racing

There are several good motels in town and close to ride from and after close to go out have dinner . I looked at some , best to look at web page www.visitmudgeeregion.com.au , that will show us where to stay and also the Pieter vanGant Wine at Black spring Rd Mudgee .

Lets get organized shortly ,

rgds
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Postby williamd » 09 Jun 2008, 17:29

I have registered for the first race only, I have to be back in Sydney for Sunday. :(


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Postby T-Bone » 09 Jun 2008, 21:47

Entry cut off is 29 june not july . the more , the better , for us for hcp grading rgds nickb
I'll fix it up, was trying to do too many things at once.

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Postby Kieran » 11 Jun 2008, 15:43

I would definately be up for this one.

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Postby williamd » 12 Jun 2008, 12:51

Looks like we have the following starters:

T bone,
Simon L
Nick B
Kieran
William D

and still 17 days to go for registration.


Don't finish horizontal

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Postby T-Bone » 12 Jun 2008, 16:13

I think my dad will be coming as well.

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Postby williamd » 12 Jun 2008, 19:10

Good on you Stretch.

We can team up again.

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Postby T-Bone » 16 Jun 2008, 20:48

I've been reminded it's probably time to start organising accomodation, so could people confirm if they're coming along.

So far it seems to be 6 of us:
James F
Simon L
Stretch
Kieran
Nick B
William D

William, are you planning to return to Sydney on the Saturday night or Sunday morning???

I'm considering riding back to Sydney Monday and Tuesday, rather than doing my 3 day ride to Canberra, so we shouldn't have too much trouble with transport.

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Postby wallman » 16 Jun 2008, 21:55

I haven't entered this yet but will do so before the cutoff. If it stops raining between now and then I might even get some training in.
Matt

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Postby williamd » 16 Jun 2008, 22:31

T Bone

I have decided to do the both races so I will be staying on Sunday.

You can book me in for accomodation.

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Postby brego » 17 Jun 2008, 10:08

Yes i am going to Mudgee with william also happy to share a room .
thanks T Bone

rgds

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Postby T-Bone » 21 Jun 2008, 14:10

Ok, i'm booking some accomodation today for the following people:

James F
Simon L
Stretch
Kieran
Nick B
William D
Eugen S

I don't think i've missed anyone, but let me know if i have. Matt is already covered.

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Postby T-Bone » 21 Jun 2008, 15:10

Accomodation is booked!! Can get 1 more person in if there's anymore interest!!

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Postby micklan » 21 Jun 2008, 18:08

T Bone any chance of expressing interest for the accomodation?

Bill if a lifts going - are you coming back to Syd on Sunday?

How many riders go in it

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Postby williamd » 21 Jun 2008, 18:39

Mick

I am going in both races and will be returning to Sydney on Sunday.


Don't finish horizontal

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Postby T-Bone » 21 Jun 2008, 18:42

T Bone any chance of expressing interest for the accomodation?

Bill if a lifts going - are you coming back to Syd on Sunday?

How many riders go in it
Huw has taken the spot in the accomodation, so if you want to come we'll have to book another room. We're booked in at Mudgee Motor Inn http://www.mudgeemotorinn.com.au/

Let me know if you want to come, and we can try and convince someone else as well, so you'll have someone to talk to in the motel.

Transport arrangements will be made soon, but currently i'm thinking 3 cars will do the job, Matt mentioned he may have space to give someone a lift as well, but i'm pretty sure everyone is going to fit.

Current riders list is:

James F
Stretch F
Simon L
Nick B
William D
Kieran L
Eugen S
Huw M
Matt W

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Postby williamd » 21 Jun 2008, 18:43

Mick

At the moment there are 56 riders but that will increase slightly by 29 June.

Don't finish Horizontal.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 21 Jun 2008, 19:32

Alex was talking about racing too and I think he entered but I can't see his name on the entry list so maybe it was muswellbrook he decided on & I can't see the start list because I haven't entered yet? You'll have to ask him.

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Postby williamd » 23 Jun 2008, 13:49

I was talking to Peter Osullivan today and he is interested in coming along for the weekend.

Mick L are you still interested as you could share a room with Peter.

We should have enough cars for the numbers.

Still time to register.

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Postby micklan » 23 Jun 2008, 15:28

I'll give it a miss Bill - but maybe try to make the Grafton ride, perhaps.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 25 Jun 2008, 12:11

I'll give it a miss Bill - but maybe try to make the Grafton ride, perhaps.
I didn't know you were such a sucker for punishment!!!

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Postby micklan » 25 Jun 2008, 16:00

The felicific calculus is an algorithm formulated by utilitarian philosopher Jeremy Bentham for calculating the degree or amount of pleasure that a specific action is likely to cause. Bentham, an ethical hedonist, believed the moral rightness or wrongness of an action to be a function of the amount of pleasure or pain that it produced. Thus, the felicific calculus could, in principle at least, determine the moral status of any considered act. The algorithm is also known as the utility calculus, the hedonistic calculus and the hedonic calculus.
Variables, or vectors of the pleasures and pains included in this calculation—which Bentham called "elements" or "dimensions"—were:
1. Intensity: How strong is the pleasure?
2. Duration: How long will the pleasure last?
3. Certainty or Uncertainty: How likely or unlikely is it that the pleasure will occur?
4. Propinquity or Remoteness, time distance: How soon will the pleasure occur?
5. Fecundity: The probability that the action will be followed by sensations of the same kind.
6. Purity: The probability it will not be followed by sensations of the opposite kind.
To these six, which consider the pleasures and pains within the life of a person, Bentham added a seventh element:
7. Extent: How many people will be affected?

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 25 Jun 2008, 16:39

1. Intensity: debilitating ass soreness for up to a month
2. Duration: 8-12hrs depending on fitness and weather conditions
3. Certainty or Uncertainty: It is a sure thing
4. Propinquity or Remoteness, time distance: after about 2hrs of riding
5. Fecundity: There will certainly be relief when you get off the bike, though the bruising will remain.
6. Purity: You may get a great sense of great joy if you finish, though you may feel empty if you go through the suffering but fail to finish.
7. Extent: There is a strong possibility that all you friends and loved ones will be affected by your actions, if you fail they will have to watch you mope round the house for weeks and hear about how you could have finished if....& if you do succeed that will be left to hear you gloat for 12 months till you try again. I guess there is the chance you it will lift your confidence regardless of the outcome...

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Postby geoff m » 30 Jun 2008, 22:01

Right, I booked in at the 11th hour (actual 22nd hour last night).

I rang the motel today and got a room. If anyone else is thinking of coming, the room takes one more person.

I would like a lift from someone James if available.

Cheers

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Postby T-Bone » 30 Jun 2008, 22:25

It says no late entries for the saturday race. Sunday race will attract a late fee.

Transport should be able to be arranged, i'll try and work out a transport plan tomorrow.

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Postby williamd » 04 Jul 2008, 13:21

Geoff m

I have space for you in my car and will pick you up at your place early Saturday morning say around 4am. Nick B is also going with us.

Geoff can you email me your address.

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Postby T-Bone » 04 Jul 2008, 20:23

4am sounds a bit early, it's only a 3.5hr or so drive, and the race starts at 12pm. Leaving at 7am should give plenty of time, 6:30am if you're really keen.

Current plans for cars are:

Car 1
William
Nick
Geoff

Car 2
Stretch
James
Simon

Car 3
Eugen
Kieran
Huw

Huw and Kieran i'll talk to you tomorrow about meeting points to get picked up by Eugen, or you can contact him, PM me if you need his number.

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Postby williamd » 05 Jul 2008, 13:53

Geoff

I will be at your place at 6am Saturday then we will go and pick up Nick from Concord at about 6.40am.

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Postby wallman » 10 Jul 2008, 17:11

Handicaps for Sat are up here: http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/files/Rac ... #Handicaps

And grades for Sun are up here: http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/files/Rac ... htm#Grades

I'm not sure whether to be excited or insulted about Sunday.

Matt

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Postby Huw » 10 Jul 2008, 17:16

I'm still not sure why I got graded so much higher than Simon. I mean, I haven't climbed a hill since I was sitting in the sag wagon in Wagga!

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Postby Adrian E » 10 Jul 2008, 19:11

Yeah, I think you got a pretty hard handicap but its I'll probably be a good bunch to ride with if you can hang on. Warren Bennett from LACC was the guy who came second the Kegan Downes Sundowner.

I reckon Geoff also got a pretty tough handicap in the same group as Kieran.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 10 Jul 2008, 21:17

I'm still not sure why I got graded so much higher than Simon. I mean, I haven't climbed a hill since I was sitting in the sag wagon in Wagga!
The handicapper knows me quite well from the track and knows that I'm not all that interested in road racing or haven't been in the last couple of seasons. Down at wagga he said to me 'you seem to go really well on the track but the road doesn't seem to suite you as well.' Just before he put phil up into B grade. It's not that your badly handicapped Huw it's that I am & until I start winning races they're not going to change my mark....

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Postby T-Bone » 10 Jul 2008, 22:08

I don't think they know Huw well enough. I'm pretty happy with my handicap, far enough forward to be in a bunch working well, but not too far that it's too fast. We've got a good number in Div 3 for sunday, hopefully we can pull something out.

Also, has anyone got a spare club jersey that can be used by Kieran, need a medium.

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Postby T-Bone » 10 Jul 2008, 22:26

According to my Mum, Huw got off easy, "The National Penny-Farthing Champion should be off Scratch!!"

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Postby wallman » 10 Jul 2008, 23:11

Also, has anyone got a spare club jersey that can be used by Kieran, need a medium.
I'm jerseyless as well...unless there's a spare floating around I'll be going round in yellow.

I reckon Sunday looks good for us too.

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Postby Kieran » 11 Jul 2008, 12:20

I think overall we got pretty lucky. Simon you should have a big chance with such a generous grade.

I think your bunch is the one to be in actually, perhaps I will sit in on my bunch and let you catch us, then we can pick it up a notch and keep the chasers away till the end. You should be right to outsprint anyone in your bunch.

Either way, with so many riders we should have a think about what we can do to get someone up, in both races.

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Postby wallman » 14 Jul 2008, 12:50

Well, this was a pretty good weekend.

Saturday's handicap was a mostly enjoyable trip up hill and down dale. I worked till we got caught by our chasing group perhaps midway through and then hung on along with James till a few groups caught us in the last few kilometres. This put paid to any thoughts I had of sprinting as it then proceeded to get fairly messy. Eugen pushed through well to finish with the sprint group and take DHBC line honours with James immediately behind him; I got tailed off on a 90 degree bend about 800m out and finished maybe 5 seconds behind them.

That leaves Sunday. It was pretty fresh at 9:20 a.m. in Mudgee for my first scratch race and it took me a while to get into it. There was a cast of thousands from DHBC in Div 3 but that was whittled down to Kieran, James and myself in the lead group by midway through. James just got pipped for the KOM on lap 2 before we settled into a fairly gentle uphill climb on which we all, apparently, thought about trying to get away without actually doing it. Sydney CC and I think Turramurra then put the hammer down on the front for quite a bit and we flew towards the finish before they ran out of puff and then instead of having us all in single file we were spread out across the road going into the same final bend that had killed me on Sat. James led us into it but lost his back wheel doing very well to keep himself up however lost his momentum in the process. I went then but had to brake hard as a couple of Mudgee CC lead-out men rolled off right in front of me, then went again and POWERED through on the left to take fourth.

Any sense of self-satisfaction was quickly dispelled however when I returned to the DHBC contingent standing on the finish line to have my dearly beloved ask me "Where did you come from"? Despite half a dozen DHBCers plus my girlfriend standing about 3m from where I crossed the line noone saw my effort and they thought I'd been dropped!!!

Clowns!

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Postby Stretch » 14 Jul 2008, 13:57

. . . I see RED, I see RED, I see RED.

I'll lend you a red shirt for the next race Matt :P

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 14 Jul 2008, 14:04

Any sense of self-satisfaction was quickly dispelled however when I returned to the DHBC contingent standing on the finish line to have my dearly beloved ask me "Where did you come from"? Despite half a dozen DHBCers plus my girlfriend standing about 3m from where I crossed the line noone saw my effort and they thought I'd been dropped!!!

Clowns!
I would go out and buy a red jersey ASAP Matt if you want anybody to be able to see you in a sprint finish!!! Red stands out from about 500m's away, yellow just isn't visible at all.

But winning races isn't about admiration, if that's all your doing it for, your not going to last for very long. It's about knowing that all those Sunday mornings where you just don't want to get out of bed and you do anyway are making a difference to your fitness. And those training rides where you are in absolute agony but hang on anyway are making you stronger. The problem with admiration is that if you live off it and don't perform you will end up depressed and give up and until your winning A grade they will just increase your handicapp until you no longer win.

But that was a great ride Matt, well done! I had a feeling you would do well, you weren't the delegated captain for nothing! Shame you didn't fufill the captain's obligation and drink five beers the night before though :D .

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Postby Adrian E » 14 Jul 2008, 14:06

Woe to the ignominy of not wearing red :oops:
I can't wait to get a new jersey as well.

Well done with the result.

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Postby williamd » 14 Jul 2008, 17:37

Matt

Your still my hero.

I have a red jersy you can have.


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Postby wallman » 14 Jul 2008, 18:08

Thanks Bill, but you're a bit bigger than me! I think there was a new order of jerseys arriving sometime very soon and I'll be first in line for one of them!

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Postby Huw » 15 Jul 2008, 12:10

...yellow just isn't visible at all.
Yeah Matt, and that faded greyish-yellow thing you wear is even worse!


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