The beast is broken

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Postby mikesbytes » 24 Aug 2010, 16:50

There's something going on with the steerer on the Beast. If you hold the front brake on and push forwards and backwards the forks pivot on the bottom bearing set. While old the bike, it has a shimano 600 head set.

It looks like to me that either the steerer is broken but still held by the stem, or it is loose where it attaches to the forks. It doesn't look like its the head set as then it would move forward and backwards without pivoting

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Postby geoff m » 24 Aug 2010, 23:00

Nice floorboards Mike. Nice - original timber look. When's the skirting boards going up?

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Postby mikesbytes » 24 Aug 2010, 23:31

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Postby Toff » 25 Aug 2010, 12:33

Well, Mike...

You've got a 6mm allen key, and headset wrenches.

Undo the top of the headset and have a look.

I think it's much more likely you've split part of the headset than the steerer breaking.

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Postby mikesbytes » 25 Aug 2010, 12:37

Cinceli stems - now that's quality

I'm gunna pull it apart this arvo and make a decision as to whether the beast should go to bicycle heaven

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Postby timyone » 25 Aug 2010, 13:24

I'm gunna pull it apart this arvo and make a decision as to whether the beast should go to bicycle heaven
Toff's house?

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Postby mikesbytes » 25 Aug 2010, 13:50

The beast is unique at anyone's place

OK, the problem is that the steerer has separated from the forks. Just to make things more exciting the stem is stuck inside the steerer.

So, I need a new set of forks and that's after I've managed to get the steerer off the stem

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Postby Toff » 25 Aug 2010, 14:01

The beast is dead :shock: :cry: :shock: .

That's awesome. If you had gone over a big bump, the front of your bike would have detached!

Not worth spending the money to get a new fork. A new fork would probably then be worth more than the whole beast.

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Postby mikesbytes » 25 Aug 2010, 14:18

What about the nunnery

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Postby Toff » 25 Aug 2010, 14:56

You can try the Nunnery. I would also go over to the Bower in Marrickville. Out the back they have some old frames. You can probably buy a whole bike for a fiver. That's where Lindsay got his Jim Lemon from. It's also what he paid!

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Postby mikesbytes » 25 Aug 2010, 14:58

Might check the Bower this arvo

Can the existing steerer be brazed/welded on? If so who's got the equipment?

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Postby weiyun » 25 Aug 2010, 16:13

Is it worth a re-weld? Will it be as strong as the original? No fun if it fractures again.

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Postby mikesbytes » 25 Aug 2010, 16:20

Don't know, but I agree its not worth taking a risk.

Nothing at the bower, unless I wanted to buy a complete bike for $300

Nunnery has moved to Waterloo and is now called Cycle ReCycle. See they are open at 5pm today, I might drop by as I can't do it on Mondays.

Otherwise I'll put the beast in the shed and forget about it

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Postby mikesbytes » 25 Aug 2010, 21:20

Scored some forks from Cycle Recyle

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Now all I need to is to get the steerer off the stem...

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Postby T-Bone » 25 Aug 2010, 21:43

Just clamp the steerer in a vice, and you should be able to get the stem out as usual.

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Postby mikesbytes » 26 Aug 2010, 11:34

I ask Peter if I can use his vice.

The ball bearing cup at the bottom of the new forks is as per a standard set of ball bearings, but the bike has Shimano 600 sealed bearings, kinda looks like a fat rubber washer. So how do I get it off the forks and put the one on for Shimano 600? Do I need a press?

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Postby christian » 26 Aug 2010, 12:15

You can get the old one off with a hammer and chisel, unless you have the special tool. You can put the new one on with a punch and hammer, again unless you have the tool.

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Postby orphic » 26 Aug 2010, 12:38

You can get the old one off with a hammer and chisel, unless you have the special tool.
Are you talking about a crown race setter? That has to be my favourite tool. Mmmmm big crazy tool for doing such a simple job. Does anyone actually own one though?

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Postby Toff » 26 Aug 2010, 15:23

Are you talking about a crown race setter? That has to be my favourite tool. Mmmmm big crazy tool for doing such a simple job. Does anyone actually own one though?
Anyone who has a 20cm of pipe with a nice flat end, as well as a big mallet has all the tools they need to install a headset. To get one off, I find a few gentle taps with something like a hammer and a "6-inch" nail gradually going from each side of the headset race will slowly work it up the steere until it pops loose. To protect the headset race, I have the head of the nail strike the race, not the pointy end.

You need to take more care with putting the cups into the head tube. For this you need to use (or make) a suitable headset press.

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Postby mikesbytes » 26 Aug 2010, 15:41

Got it off, but didn't manage to get the other one on.

Guess I'll take it up the hardware shop and buy a piece of pipe

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Postby geoffs » 26 Aug 2010, 23:37

if you need to borrow a head set press, I have one I can loan you

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Postby mikesbytes » 27 Aug 2010, 07:44

Hi Geoff, would that help me get the cup on the forks?

I worked out why its hard to get on, it doesn't have a taper like the one I took off

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Postby geoffs » 27 Aug 2010, 09:15

sure but it's best to bring it in to the shop when i'm there. The crown might need reeming and all the tools are there. Will only take a few minutes to do with the right tools.
I'm always there tuesday, thurdays and friday afternoon for the beer tasting

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Postby mikesbytes » 27 Aug 2010, 11:12

Did you say "beer"

Looks like I'll be working at a location with no bike parking from October, so it will be good to have a bike that can be parked on the street with confidence it will be there when you return

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Postby geoffs » 27 Aug 2010, 12:04

we have beer tasting on fridays from 5 usually.

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Postby mikesbytes » 27 Aug 2010, 12:10

I'm at home this arvo, today is good

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Postby geoffs » 27 Aug 2010, 12:59

we're tidying up the shop today. so next week is better

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Postby mikesbytes » 27 Aug 2010, 13:04

OK, if I'm not working


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