NSW team timetrial..
- Simon Llewellyn
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Hey guys the team timetrial is on next month:
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... /09133.htm
It wouldn't be a bad chance to get some team pursuit training in. There will be ample opportunity to get our turns sorted as it's 80kms. Bit long for my liking but if you boys are keen???, I'll take one for the team & ride....
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... /09133.htm
It wouldn't be a bad chance to get some team pursuit training in. There will be ample opportunity to get our turns sorted as it's 80kms. Bit long for my liking but if you boys are keen???, I'll take one for the team & ride....
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I apply for that one
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I'd be interested in a Vet team
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Cool, correct me if I'm wrong, but its;
Elite;
- Simon L
- Eugen (I'm assuming here)
- Alex C
Vets
- Mike C
- Alex R
Elite;
- Simon L
- Eugen (I'm assuming here)
- Alex C
Vets
- Mike C
- Alex R
I should probably partake in this crazy activity. At least it won't be as hot as last time we did it. Just have to check my exam timetable. Eugen is Masters, the Elite team may need to poach him, depending on interest from people.
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Good question, now I need some aero bars....Okay Masters, are you planning on going fully aero or just riding your regular bikes?
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Lets not get carried away
Is this UCI Rule 1.3.024 that you are referring to here, or something else?
If it's the 3:1 ratio on bars & seatposts, as well as frames, I think it's safe that no-one in the club is using such cutting edge components on their bikes.
(Possible exception, Shrub Face's new track bike - Wow!)
If it's the 3:1 ratio on bars & seatposts, as well as frames, I think it's safe that no-one in the club is using such cutting edge components on their bikes.
(Possible exception, Shrub Face's new track bike - Wow!)
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Am I understanding the web site correctly? Its $30 to enter the entire team ?
hey i know im not an obvious choice, but ive been training alot of stuff lately that sorta suits this sorta thing. But yeah, i realise that every one else has done alot of all the road races, which probably puts me behind them on the list (assuming james, alex, mat walman, simon? christian? Alex R.
But yeah, i reckon im getting better at this sorta stuff, and at the moment this is more similar to the sort of race im getting better at, even if its not what i want to aim for later on in it all.
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But yeah, i reckon im getting better at this sorta stuff, and at the moment this is more similar to the sort of race im getting better at, even if its not what i want to aim for later on in it all.
But yeah
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I've been giving this a bit of thought and I think I might be interested. I've got absolutely no idea how I'd go and I think finding out might be...well not exactly fun but definately instructive. I'm about to do a Wiggle order and I might chuck in some aero shoe covers to prove to myself exactly how serious I am about this.
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Well if you are interested Mat then I propose a team of myself, Simon, Tim and you. According to the cycling nsw site, clubs are more than welcome to enter multiple teams in each category, so if there is enough interest then a second or even third team can be entered.
So far we have two sets of aero bars, Simon owns a set and im borrowing a pair from Nathan. So we need to source two more pairs and we also need to organise some times for training, planing and the like.
So far we have two sets of aero bars, Simon owns a set and im borrowing a pair from Nathan. So we need to source two more pairs and we also need to organise some times for training, planing and the like.
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Elite team is entered.
so far for team it looks like:
Simon L
Tim L
Alex C
Matt W or James F
If more are interested we can have a masters team as well which would probably be the best option or another elite team...
so far for team it looks like:
Simon L
Tim L
Alex C
Matt W or James F
If more are interested we can have a masters team as well which would probably be the best option or another elite team...
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How do you enter a team ?
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I know Eugen loves this event, it just depends if he wants to ride vets or elite. It's looking good for 2 teams...James put his hand up first so he should take that spot.
I'm happy for Matt to take the spot. I've got an exam on the monday after this, so i should probably be studying or something. I can probably lend someone my aerobars as well, if needed.
If someone has to pull out, i could probably still fill in.
If someone has to pull out, i could probably still fill in.
I have a set of aero bars that someone is welcome to borrow. Off the top of my head though, they don't fit on oversize bars. They aren't the best, but they do the job.
James
James
OK i dont know if im in the team or not, and am concerned slightly about what sort of hills are involved in this. Either way though, i think alot of this is about team training, and it looks like this thing isnt far away?! is it on the 14th?! the day after our omnium?!
After watching how randwick train, i reckon two good starting options are, that we train waterfall in formation, and that we do a day a week or some thing like that in centenial. Is that a posibility for every one?
I reckon if we want to do well at all we need to be doing this.
(sorry if im sounding too much like i want to take over or what ever, but i want our team/s to do our best, and reckon training is a good way of trying to acheive this.)
After watching how randwick train, i reckon two good starting options are, that we train waterfall in formation, and that we do a day a week or some thing like that in centenial. Is that a posibility for every one?
I reckon if we want to do well at all we need to be doing this.
(sorry if im sounding too much like i want to take over or what ever, but i want our team/s to do our best, and reckon training is a good way of trying to acheive this.)
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Do we want the novelty of having a team car following us with spares? My dad lives on the central coast near the course and would love that job. Also he is actually a cyclist, so in the event of a wheel change he knows what to do. Plus i want to put a flashing light on his car.
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OK Vet team entered. Who wants to be in it, so far its;
- Alex R
- Mikesbtyes
Also MMAS1 is eligible, so Christian can join in on the fun.
- Alex R
- Mikesbtyes
Also MMAS1 is eligible, so Christian can join in on the fun.
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Spare riders would be nice.... or maybe just beers instead.Would that be spare equipment or spare riders?
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Eugen, Christian, could you please confirm you will be in the Masters teamI think you've got Eugen as well Mike, so with Christian that would make 4.
I have a dream
It involves the long weekend, gosford and riding. I need to talk to simon about it first, who is free and how much, on the long weekend, of our time trial team? (i think this is matt, simon, alex and james)(i reckon we should have a 5 or 6 person line up, especially as there are hills in this course, and im worried about utilising our riders, which may not happen with me in the line up)
So yeah, talk to me people, probably off here i think, i dont know if its easier on this or off the net, but yeah, my dream may be restricted to the sunday and monday of the weekend.
It involves the long weekend, gosford and riding. I need to talk to simon about it first, who is free and how much, on the long weekend, of our time trial team? (i think this is matt, simon, alex and james)(i reckon we should have a 5 or 6 person line up, especially as there are hills in this course, and im worried about utilising our riders, which may not happen with me in the line up)
So yeah, talk to me people, probably off here i think, i dont know if its easier on this or off the net, but yeah, my dream may be restricted to the sunday and monday of the weekend.
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There's 2 vet categories;do you need any sort of combined age?
- min 150 years combined age of 3 youngest riders
- normal vets
I think it would be hard for us to get into 150+
Cool, the team is looking strongYou can put me down as a yes, I'll have to check something when I get home but I'm pretty sure I'm free to ride.
Tim, we will be in the non age restricted masters category.
- Alex R
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- Christian
Just need our #1 rider Eugene to confirm and we'll be on fire.
r there any hills ? - Mike you seem to be the only DH masters registered - Alex R is in the Regatta centre races - may be a mix up?
http://www.nsw.cycling.bvit.com.au/site ... rogram.pdf
Masters entries
DAY, George MMAS1 Sydney CC
AUSTIN, Jayson MMAS2 Bicisport
CASH, Darren MMAS2 Sutherland Shire CC
MCINTOSH, Glenn MMAS2 ADF Cycling
OCVIRK, Roger MMAS2 Illawarra CC
TABONE, Matthew MMAS2 Sutherland Shire CC
BAZZANO, Matthew MMAS3 Sutherland Shire CC
FRAME, Alex MMAS3 Sutherland Shire CC
HERLIHEN, Andrew MMAS3 Sutherland Shire CC
MARSHALL, Michael MMAS3 Bathurst CC
NEMETH, Istvan MMAS3 Bicisport
SALAS, Eddie MMAS3 Penrith Panthers CC
TOWNSEND, Alan MMAS3 Bicisport
VAN DER STRAATEN, Trudy WMAS3 Bicisport
CLEMENT, Michael MMAS4 Dulwich Hill BC
UNICOMB, Tony MMAS4 Sutherland Shire CC
MEEHAN, Donna WMAS4 Bicisport
BUCKLEY, Gary MMAS5 Sutherland Shire CC
HARVEY, Peter MMAS5 Bankstown Sports CC
ANDERSON, Bruce MMAS6 Manning Valley CC Inc.
LAWSON, Michael MMAS6 Bicisport
JOHNSON, Tony MMAS7 Sydney CC
LYNN, Gaye WMAS7 Sutherland Shire CC
http://www.nsw.cycling.bvit.com.au/site ... rogram.pdf
Masters entries
DAY, George MMAS1 Sydney CC
AUSTIN, Jayson MMAS2 Bicisport
CASH, Darren MMAS2 Sutherland Shire CC
MCINTOSH, Glenn MMAS2 ADF Cycling
OCVIRK, Roger MMAS2 Illawarra CC
TABONE, Matthew MMAS2 Sutherland Shire CC
BAZZANO, Matthew MMAS3 Sutherland Shire CC
FRAME, Alex MMAS3 Sutherland Shire CC
HERLIHEN, Andrew MMAS3 Sutherland Shire CC
MARSHALL, Michael MMAS3 Bathurst CC
NEMETH, Istvan MMAS3 Bicisport
SALAS, Eddie MMAS3 Penrith Panthers CC
TOWNSEND, Alan MMAS3 Bicisport
VAN DER STRAATEN, Trudy WMAS3 Bicisport
CLEMENT, Michael MMAS4 Dulwich Hill BC
UNICOMB, Tony MMAS4 Sutherland Shire CC
MEEHAN, Donna WMAS4 Bicisport
BUCKLEY, Gary MMAS5 Sutherland Shire CC
HARVEY, Peter MMAS5 Bankstown Sports CC
ANDERSON, Bruce MMAS6 Manning Valley CC Inc.
LAWSON, Michael MMAS6 Bicisport
JOHNSON, Tony MMAS7 Sydney CC
LYNN, Gaye WMAS7 Sutherland Shire CC
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My entry is the team entry. I have to email the team to them, no one else in the vet team should enter, just gimme yah $7.50.
Alex R, please confirm whether you are available or not.
Micklan, are you interested in being in the team ?
Alex R, please confirm whether you are available or not.
Micklan, are you interested in being in the team ?
Hi
If only it were that simple. There are sections (at least maybe 2, if I remember correctly) where you will be going at or under 15kph.
If only it were that simple. There are sections (at least maybe 2, if I remember correctly) where you will be going at or under 15kph.
yeah u betcha - lilke if it's doable, like 40kms of paceline at 40kmph right? that may not be doable
hills?
Now I'm glad I didn't put my hand up for this one!
I've done timetrials up at Calga with ATTA. There will be hills, but I doubt they will be ugly ones. The roads all roll up and down. I'd say the Elite Men will be going over some of the big climbs along the Old Pacific Hwy, but the hills won't be so vicious for Masters. Suspect you will be getting out of the saddle for a few climbs. You have to on those roads.
I've done timetrials up at Calga with ATTA. There will be hills, but I doubt they will be ugly ones. The roads all roll up and down. I'd say the Elite Men will be going over some of the big climbs along the Old Pacific Hwy, but the hills won't be so vicious for Masters. Suspect you will be getting out of the saddle for a few climbs. You have to on those roads.
[/quote] this is the bit that i have to work out if i can tackle, ive been doing alot more hills lately, but yeah.Hi
If only it were that simple. There are sections (at least maybe 2, if I remember correctly) where you will be going at or under 15kph.
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Vet team confirmed
- Eugen
- Alex R
- Mikesbtyes
- Christian
- Eugen
- Alex R
- Mikesbtyes
- Christian
So, I've got myself some aero-bars as of today. It's going to take me a bit of time to get them set up but at the moment I'm planning on taking them on a turn around Centennial Park during Saturday Slowies. There'll probably be a bit of on-the-run fiddling with position to be done but if anyone wants to practise a bit of a paceline I hope to get in a solid 30 mins or so at TT pace during the session.
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Well as far as i know, Simon, Tim, Christian and maybe some other will be riding up to calga on sunday morning, where we will be doing some laps of the time trial course before riding back to sydney. Ill already be on the central coast on the sunday morning, so ill simply meet the bunch at the course.
More details as they come to hand...
More details as they come to hand...
we have to work out what the deal with this race allready on is, we might be better off catching a train up, putting our two teams into the race, which i think you can do in teams, then riding back?
some one needs to find out what the deal with the race allready on is.
Run by the time trial people?
some one needs to find out what the deal with the race allready on is.
Run by the time trial people?
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your post has left me completely confused Tim..... Are you saying that there is another race on this coming sunday that we are going to disturb by training on the course? or are you just refering to actually getting to the time trial in 2 sundays time>
I believe this is what Tim is referring to http://www.atta.asn.au/ Time trial starting at 8am, seems to be $15 entry fee.
That's just annoying that there is a time trial already on at the course. Why did they put it on a long weekend. I also think that this is an individual time trial. I don't think they will be closing the road so we should still be able to ride the course. There isn't a train station near Calga, so you either have to ride from Gosford station or ride from Marrickville. I'm all for a not so early start for this one.
Another strange point is that CNSW lists the course as 20km when the map refers to the 40km course.
Another strange point is that CNSW lists the course as 20km when the map refers to the 40km course.
You can catch a train to Berowra or Cowan, and then ride along the old Princess Highway as well.
James
James
yep, The Pacific Highway...
I always get those two confused.
James
I always get those two confused.
James
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The for that atta race the last rider starts the course at 9.55am, so they should be gone by the time we start. Ill be riding from my parents house on the central coast, so if anyone is getting the train up, im happy to meet the a gosford station.
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Ok, ive just discovered that all trains to the central coast are off for the entire weekend, so I guess your all riding up. Im happy to meet you guys at the corner of the pacific highway and petes ridge road.
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=d&sour ... 8&t=h&z=18
Assuming the above link works, then ill meet you were the B is.
Now some one just has to choose a time to meet.... According to google its about 75km from marrickville to the meeting spot.
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=d&sour ... 8&t=h&z=18
Assuming the above link works, then ill meet you were the B is.
Now some one just has to choose a time to meet.... According to google its about 75km from marrickville to the meeting spot.
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Alex, blank posts are caused by bad links, had the same problem in the past.Ok, ive just discovered that all trains to the central coast are off for the entire weekend, so I guess your all riding up. Im happy to meet you guys at the corner of the pacific highway and petes ridge road.
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Assuming the above link works, then ill meet you were the B is.
Now some one just has to choose a time to meet.... According to google its about 75km from marrickville to the meeting spot.
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Cheers Mike. Discovered that my url tags weren't happy.Alex, blank posts are caused by bad links, had the same problem in the past.
I've got to be honest and say that I can think of better ways to spend my Sunday than making a 150 kms round trip with aero-bars on just to take a look at the course. I was hoping for a train in one direction. Colour me doubtful for this at this stage.Ok, ive just discovered that all trains to the central coast are off for the entire weekend, so I guess your all riding up...
Now some one just has to choose a time to meet.... According to google its about 75km from marrickville to the meeting spot.
What's the team makeup at present? How are we going to decide who's in and who's out? If it's first come first served then I'm out.
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Well the program is up for the TTT.
Elite -Team 22 - Start 10.07
Masters -Team 44 - Start 12.02
Elite -Team 22 - Start 10.07
Masters -Team 44 - Start 12.02
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Thanks Alex,
Interesting that some teams have more than 4 riders, perhaps they are reserves.
Interesting that some teams have more than 4 riders, perhaps they are reserves.
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Christian, I'll take you up on that lift
Does anyone want to ride on the vet team this Sunday. I may not be able to make it, I'll know more tomorrow, waiting to see if the holes in my back are healed enough to race. They cut deeper to remove the chuck then I was expecting them to.
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good luck for tomorrow guys, make sure that you dont lose an eye on that helmet simon.
Elite team lost matt after 20km anddid a time of about 2:27 we would have been a minute or two better
If we hadn't had to stop to grab my transponder.
We came tenth, beat one team that finished, 5 or 6 teams didn't finish.
Vet team did 1:14 and lost eugene early.
If we hadn't had to stop to grab my transponder.
We came tenth, beat one team that finished, 5 or 6 teams didn't finish.
Vet team did 1:14 and lost eugene early.
I have to say that flatting today was pretty gutting, particularly to have it happen so early on. The air turned blue for a moment there. Well done to Tim, Simon and Alex for holding it together and pushing hard till the end.
Matt
Matt
Well done guys, good to hear you finished it. Bad luck to Matt for his puncture. I did tell you to aim for the top ten, so it's good to here you got there. Hopefully we'll be able to give this a better crack next year.
What happened to Eugen? Puncture?
What happened to Eugen? Puncture?
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I've got to say we all felt the blow and I can still kind of feel it now, I remember Alex commented about the instant strength lost in one small moment and my head was questioning what to do in confusion for a few km's before we settled down into a rhythm again. But in some respects it also meant that everybody knew they would have too finish, so it was kind settling at the same time.I have to say that flatting today was pretty gutting, particularly to have it happen so early on. The air turned blue for a moment there. Well done to Tim, Simon and Alex for holding it together and pushing hard till the end.
Matt
All round though I really enjoyed the day out. I think we mainly lost the most time on the hills. We were too cautious and probably should have attacked them a bit more. On the flats and down hills we were absolutely flying, I don't think we really lost much time there at all. It was a very solid day out and look forward to doing it all again! The next big one is really the State team pursuit and team sprint. Hopefully we can get the same team together and improve on our technique. Turns are definitely one of the most crucial parts of the race.
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It was an interesting experience for the Masters team. After loosing a rider early on, the 3 of us pressed on. None of us had done a time trail of any form at all.
I feel the 3 of us worked well together. Alex R and Christian may have a different view, but I feel that we went uphill reasonably good, though I was a tad slower than Alex and Christian. Where we could improve the most was to go downhill much quicker and we could of been a little quicker on the flat.
I was expecting a big uphill on the way back, based on what we saw on the way out, but it didn't feel like that on the way back.
Next year we would know the circuit and would attack it more aggressively.
I feel the 3 of us worked well together. Alex R and Christian may have a different view, but I feel that we went uphill reasonably good, though I was a tad slower than Alex and Christian. Where we could improve the most was to go downhill much quicker and we could of been a little quicker on the flat.
I was expecting a big uphill on the way back, based on what we saw on the way out, but it didn't feel like that on the way back.
Next year we would know the circuit and would attack it more aggressively.
How well prepared were those better placed teams?
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Like many masters teams, they were well financedHow well prepared were those better placed teams?
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Better late than never, here are some photos of the day. Bewared I was to lazy to resize the images, so dial up users beware.
![Image](http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8854/p1010375e.th.jpg)
The team talking about how our lack of EPO use would affect our time.
![Image](http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8263/p1010376.th.jpg)
![Image](http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8206/p1010380k.th.jpg)
![Image](http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7329/p1010381z.th.jpg)
And we are off...
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As will all important race starts, i missed my pedal..
![Image](http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3168/p1010385m.th.jpg)
This picture was taken just after the turn around, at the begining of the second lap. You would never guess that I was actually in a team time trial, as i sprinted away from my team mates.
![Image](http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6553/p1010386j.th.jpg)
As some of you may have noticed, this is infact a very small resolution photo. This is because my mother who was photographing the day, accidently set the camera to movie mode when we finished and took a very low res shot of us before recording a short film of my father legs, and mats feet. Good job mum.
![Image](http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8854/p1010375e.th.jpg)
The team talking about how our lack of EPO use would affect our time.
![Image](http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8263/p1010376.th.jpg)
![Image](http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8206/p1010380k.th.jpg)
![Image](http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7329/p1010381z.th.jpg)
And we are off...
![Image](http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2029/p1010382d.th.jpg)
As will all important race starts, i missed my pedal..
![Image](http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3168/p1010385m.th.jpg)
This picture was taken just after the turn around, at the begining of the second lap. You would never guess that I was actually in a team time trial, as i sprinted away from my team mates.
![Image](http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6553/p1010386j.th.jpg)
As some of you may have noticed, this is infact a very small resolution photo. This is because my mother who was photographing the day, accidently set the camera to movie mode when we finished and took a very low res shot of us before recording a short film of my father legs, and mats feet. Good job mum.
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Matts feet... had he waxed?
Alex R, where are the Masters photos ?
Alex R, where are the Masters photos ?
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