DHBC Road Time Trial Team/s for Calga TT
l'm interested to do a Team Time Trial at Calga on Sunday 20th of June.
If you are interested just add your name and we'll see what team/s we can make up and go from there.
l'm aiming to do a Calga TT on the 6th of June to have a look at the course.
Mike C
Mark L
Cheers
If you are interested just add your name and we'll see what team/s we can make up and go from there.
l'm aiming to do a Calga TT on the 6th of June to have a look at the course.
Mike C
Mark L
Cheers
I am up the course recce on the 6th as welll'm interested to do a Team Time Trial at Calga on Sunday 20th of June.
If you are interested just add your name and we'll see what team/s we can make up and go from there.
l'm aiming to do a Calga TT on the 6th of June to have a look at the course.
Mike C
Mark L
Julio
Cheers
Gi to the best of knowlege you can ride what you like, if you've got a penny farthing you can ride that and if you have a all black custom TT bike with Giiiiiiiiii, written on the side you can ride that !Oh just saw this topic. Does the bike need to comply UCI regulations particularly that the seat nose must be at least 5cm behind bb?
Is ATTA under the CA/UCI umbrella? Or are they more aligned with tri-athlete organizations?Yes it does need to comply with UCI regulations. Whether they'll be checking is a different story....
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... /10150.htm
Yep, the TTT is run under CNSW, so all UCI rules apply. No Buggie Smugglers!
Yep, the TTT is run under CNSW, so all UCI rules apply. No Buggie Smugglers!
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Whilst the NSW TTT is run under UCI rules, the monthly ATTA meetings are not. So you can ride basically anything so long as it has wheels.
Mick,I'd go in it - if I only knew what it is ?
e.g. how may kms. how may hills. what time does it start and hows it work
It looks like the course follows the ridge so there probably are rolling hills but l haven't seen it.
Has anyone ridden this course
l'm away this w/e and will be keen for some training the following w/e, Sat and/or Sun.
Guess we could train at Centennial Pk or out to Kurnell?? Any thoughts??
Cheers
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A course profile is at
http://www.atta.asn.au/maps/calgaprofile.jpg
It's definitely undulating. The outward leg seems to take 3m longer as there's more uphill stuff. However, the return leg features a stiff climb about 2k from the finish ("Blood Hill") where we medium pacers get down to about 17 kmh.
The average speed is about 35kmh which takes about 43 minutes. The top guys are doing it at about 43kmh and finishing in about 35 minutes.
So far I've done two TTs there, finished dead in the middle of the pack both times. The ATTA runs a great little portable timing/results setup, with a covered starting ramp with big digital timer that makes you feel like a real pro (although in my case, that feeling stops as soon as the pedals start turning).
It's good fun, and I hope to be there in June.... and this time, hopefully I won't be suffering from a hangover!
http://www.atta.asn.au/maps/calgaprofile.jpg
It's definitely undulating. The outward leg seems to take 3m longer as there's more uphill stuff. However, the return leg features a stiff climb about 2k from the finish ("Blood Hill") where we medium pacers get down to about 17 kmh.
The average speed is about 35kmh which takes about 43 minutes. The top guys are doing it at about 43kmh and finishing in about 35 minutes.
So far I've done two TTs there, finished dead in the middle of the pack both times. The ATTA runs a great little portable timing/results setup, with a covered starting ramp with big digital timer that makes you feel like a real pro (although in my case, that feeling stops as soon as the pedals start turning).
It's good fun, and I hope to be there in June.... and this time, hopefully I won't be suffering from a hangover!
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The total age of the youngest 3 riders must exceed 150There's two masters teams as well. One open and the other 150+ years.
There's a length restriction, measured I think from the seat. The loop that joins the two bars makes many of the older aero bars illegal because it makes them too longDoes anyone know if 25 year old 'Profile' areo bars still legal?
Thanks mike.There's a length restriction, measured I think from the seat. The loop that joins the two bars makes many of the older aero bars illegal because it makes them too long
There's a good explanation and diagrams from Bikenz at http://www.bikenz.org.nz/Article.aspx?ID=4778&Mode=1
Looks like they're trying to stop people putting wings on their handlebars!!
Update: You're right of course Mike,
The rider’s position for time trial on the road and for the pursuit on the track is defined by two measurements of the bicycle: the position of the tip of the saddle behind the bottom bracket (- 5 cm minimum) and the advanced position using the extension (+ 75 cm maximum). These measurements are verified by commissaires using a checking device. The checks are conducted in the time trial start area. Once a bicycle has been checked, it cannot be removed from the start enclosure. If it is removed, a second check will be required.
The saddle position is measured from the tip of the saddle to the vertical plane passing through the centre of the bottom bracket axle. The advanced position is measured along the handlebar extension (overall length) from the vertical plane passing through the centre of the bottom bracket axle. If the handlebar extension is fitted with gear levers, the distance is taken from the axis point of the gear lever. The gear lever beyond the axis point is allowed to extend beyond 75 cm provided that it does not offer an alternative use (e.g. a lever modified such that the hand contact point is beyond 75 cm).
(It looks like you can get a commisaire's ok to extend to 80cm for 'morphological' reasons - ie you're a big boy. Some of your platform shoes with cleats might come in handy, Mike).
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BTW - This is on the CNSW website:
"As the Calga circuit will still be closed on the 20th June (Team TT) and the 25th July (Individual TT) due to road works, we are negotiating with the NSW Police and Gosford Council regarding an alternative course in the Somersby area. We are hopeful that the course will be approved soon and if you wish to check it out click here for details
"As the Calga circuit will still be closed on the 20th June (Team TT) and the 25th July (Individual TT) due to road works, we are negotiating with the NSW Police and Gosford Council regarding an alternative course in the Somersby area. We are hopeful that the course will be approved soon and if you wish to check it out click here for details
Okay so are we going to go ahead with the mens team or what? The woman of DHBC have already entered and we (the men of DHBC) are dragging the chain. I am very keen to practice my TTT skills but can't make saturday mornings as I have other engagments. midweek is better for me.
l still hope so Jules, l think we could use Dinnerville to help make up the teams. Enteries need to be in by Sunday 6th.
l can do midweek except Tuesdays starting around 7:30 or later, however, l can start earlier on Mondays.
What time/s suits you or others?
l can do midweek except Tuesdays starting around 7:30 or later, however, l can start earlier on Mondays.
What time/s suits you or others?
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Monday's not good for me. Also can we do it earlier than 7:30
Hey Mike,Monday's not good for me. Also can we do it earlier than 7:30
l can ride Thursday (tomorrow) or Friday.
G can't ride on Thursday and wants to done by 8.
What time is good Mike?
Possible Team
Jules
G
Peter O'S
Karzie?
l'm not sure where you would fit in Karzie so could you talk to other guys.
Can you guys organize yourselves from here as l'm now working longer hours and am finding it difficult to get on the forum.
Entries close this Sunday.
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I'm sick, so this week is out for me. Sorry
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G as your an elite rider, you will need a different team to the rest of us
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We have one team and possibly a second one. The first elite team is myself, simon L, mat wallman, and James F. We rode a very similar team last year and all have the gear already.
Cheers for the offer anyway G.
Cheers for the offer anyway G.
the second team possibilities start with me, john nguyen, Tim briers, anthony baggs, ummm there may be more, theres a few fasties that are posibilities i think, james mabbott, but yeah, this is all going on off the net. The main thing is, we are time trialling in aero bars etc, so i want to ride with really smooth riders who i have ridden a lot with, though i guess this may not be possible. If any one is in the fasties for waterfall and wants to ride this, give us a yell off the net, and we will work a team out by sunday. We mainly just need people that are definite for it all, though if i dont feel safe, im not riding hey :S
But yeah, rankings are pretty much based on road race rankings i guess, i dont know where triathlons fit in, but guessing its possible. can you, julian, anthony and some one else make a third team? or is julio a vet :S not saying that you may not be in the b team.
There are also time trials run by atta (australian time trial association) once or so a month, where you can just chuck a team together, and go out and race the same course as a team, and then its not a state title, so you can muck around as much as you like
(i havent actualy spoken to any of the b team options yet, so may be non existent)
But yeah, rankings are pretty much based on road race rankings i guess, i dont know where triathlons fit in, but guessing its possible. can you, julian, anthony and some one else make a third team? or is julio a vet :S not saying that you may not be in the b team.
There are also time trials run by atta (australian time trial association) once or so a month, where you can just chuck a team together, and go out and race the same course as a team, and then its not a state title, so you can muck around as much as you like
(i havent actualy spoken to any of the b team options yet, so may be non existent)
You have ridden in the smuggler-slipstream, that was pretty safe iniit? :pthe second team possibilities start with me, john nguyen, Tim briers, anthony baggs, ummm there may be more, theres a few fasties that are posibilities i think, james mabbott, but yeah, this is all going on off the net. The main thing is, we are time trialling in aero bars etc, so i want to ride with really smooth riders who i have ridden a lot with, though i guess this may not be possible. If any one is in the fasties for waterfall and wants to ride this, give us a yell off the net, and we will work a team out by sunday. We mainly just need people that are definite for it all, though if i dont feel safe, im not riding hey :S
But yeah, rankings are pretty much based on road race rankings i guess, i dont know where triathlons fit in, but guessing its possible. can you, julian, anthony and some one else make a third team? or is julio a vet :S not saying that you may not be in the b team.
There are also time trials run by atta (australian time trial association) once or so a month, where you can just chuck a team together, and go out and race the same course as a team, and then its not a state title, so you can muck around as much as you like
(i havent actualy spoken to any of the b team options yet, so may be non existent)
Jules is a masters rider. Yes, I am going to Calga this Sunday for individual TT. Mark is also going. Anyone else keen just put your name down.
we werent in aero bars, that means no breaks, on a free wheel bike (lol yeah i know youve done more time than me on aero bars, but ive done more time on peoples wheels, with no breaks, and it freaks me out, especially when you come to hills etc etc).
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Ok DHBC elite team A are entered.
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If anyone's after clip-ons, I noticed these for sale, don't know what they are like
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Elite team A, is Myself, Simon L, Mat W and James F
I've got a cheap set if you want to use them, but I don't think that they fit oversize bars.
James
James
hey i heard a suggestion that we make the teams more official, with more of a club choosing whos in them, maybe the road captain or so.
For elite men this works fine, as its not far from how we do it now, but for vets etc, it would mean every one telling James fowlerthe teams they want to put in, and any one that wants to be in a team telling him that they want to be in a team etc. This could help to make sure that no one is left out, as we are getting bigger, and have riders all over the place. Is every one up for this? i dont know if we are serious enough to have try outs, or even to do it off ranking yet, but this could be an idea if theres only a certain amopunt of spots.
But yeah, i reckon if we do this system, with who ever deciding (it doesnt have to be james) its better done not actually in the forum, but maybe we display who is then in the teams on the forum etc.
For elite men this works fine, as its not far from how we do it now, but for vets etc, it would mean every one telling James fowlerthe teams they want to put in, and any one that wants to be in a team telling him that they want to be in a team etc. This could help to make sure that no one is left out, as we are getting bigger, and have riders all over the place. Is every one up for this? i dont know if we are serious enough to have try outs, or even to do it off ranking yet, but this could be an idea if theres only a certain amopunt of spots.
But yeah, i reckon if we do this system, with who ever deciding (it doesnt have to be james) its better done not actually in the forum, but maybe we display who is then in the teams on the forum etc.
the elite b team didnt make the cut we lost our strongest and closest to form rider John, i didnt get around to talking to other tim, and im so out of form, that it didnt seem like that good an idea. We nearly went with the G team (instead of B ) aiming not for eliteness, but for style, but yeah, didnt get around to that either, this may have all coincided with me finally buying Flu medication.
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Yeh we didn't really get out act together this time and some of us have missed out, others have missed out due to not managing the multiples of 4's, or in the Elite Woman's case, a simple lack of racing riders.
In previous years there weren't enough of us to require organisation, we could field 1 elite male and one master male team and that was it.
Anyway, there's an individual time trail coming up a bit later, so everyone who wants to can get into that.
In previous years there weren't enough of us to require organisation, we could field 1 elite male and one master male team and that was it.
Anyway, there's an individual time trail coming up a bit later, so everyone who wants to can get into that.
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Do these meet UCI specs? ie can you use them on the track and more strict road meets?
I'll try and race with my illegal vintage aero bars (on the vintage Pinny) but it would be good to have a backup and a set for the other bike.
Sounds very sensible Tim.hey i heard a suggestion that we make the teams more official, with more of a club choosing whos in them, maybe the road captain or so.
For elite men this works fine, as its not far from how we do it now, but for vets etc, it would mean every one telling James fowlerthe teams they want to put in, and any one that wants to be in a team telling him that they want to be in a team etc. This could help to make sure that no one is left out, as we are getting bigger, and have riders all over the place. Is every one up for this? i dont know if we are serious enough to have try outs, or even to do it off ranking yet, but this could be an idea if theres only a certain amopunt of spots.
But yeah, i reckon if we do this system, with who ever deciding (it doesnt have to be james) its better done not actually in the forum, but maybe we display who is then in the teams on the forum etc.
If you have a look at the other club's teams, there doesn't seem to be a limit to the number of teams ...
I got a team together because it looked like I wasn't going to get a ride as I wasn't fast enough for the active bloggers.
I learned my lesson from the Tassie trip, which seemed to have been organised off-forum to a large extent. I agree that the office-holders should have a process in place to address this issue as Tim suggests. It would also be a good club activity just to have trials as this would assist in selecting balanced teams, give the coaches something to do with their expensive training maybe integrate some TT training into the club schedule, make a DHBC Team Time Trial hat and give us a good excuse for the other half so as to have some 'tactics meetings' at the Deutscher Clubgeshaft.
In order for the "club" to choose the team, there needs to be a set of selection criteria or it'll cause disharmony.
Maybe we need to organize some in-house ITTs (similar to what other clubs offer) to establish the benchmarks to allow an objective basis for the club team selection.
Maybe we need to organize some in-house ITTs (similar to what other clubs offer) to establish the benchmarks to allow an objective basis for the club team selection.
I don't think there would be disharmony.
Everyone knows who is better than who at what - it is quite obvious just from training and other racing results, really. We did an in-house ITT last year and I imagine there might be plans for one next year. Even still, a TTT is a little different and the group selected would need to be based on speed/power as well as how smooth they are.
It was my idea about having the road captain or someone similar selecting the teams and I brought it up in conversation with Tim at the Cafe last Sunday. I just thought it would make the whole thing easier and might mean teams are organised a little bit faster. If the responsibility is on one person they're more than likely to make announcements sooner and it can mean people get organised and start training sooner
Anyway... It's awesome to see we have so many teams entered and I'm dissapointed I won't get to ride on the day, but would like to come up and support everyone anyway.
Everyone knows who is better than who at what - it is quite obvious just from training and other racing results, really. We did an in-house ITT last year and I imagine there might be plans for one next year. Even still, a TTT is a little different and the group selected would need to be based on speed/power as well as how smooth they are.
It was my idea about having the road captain or someone similar selecting the teams and I brought it up in conversation with Tim at the Cafe last Sunday. I just thought it would make the whole thing easier and might mean teams are organised a little bit faster. If the responsibility is on one person they're more than likely to make announcements sooner and it can mean people get organised and start training sooner
Anyway... It's awesome to see we have so many teams entered and I'm dissapointed I won't get to ride on the day, but would like to come up and support everyone anyway.
I am not suggesting there'd be disharmony in the short term with the current group of members, but one may develop over time as the club grows. It's always better to establish a good structure from the start than having to put out fires.I don't think there would be disharmony.
Thursday, 10 June 2010
A record 110 teams have entered for Sunday weeks NSW Team Time Trial Championships to be held at Somersby, NSW’s Central Coast.
CEO Kevin Young says the numbers confirm the strength of our sport with 27 of our 58 Clubs entering teams in this years championships. It also includes a record 17 Women/Masters Women teams which he states is fantastic for the sport.
Penrith Cycling Club lead the charge with 10 teams represented their Club in this years championships, closely followed by Northern Sydney CC (8 teams), Hunter Valley Vets CC (7 teams) and Sydney CC (7 Teams).
Mr. Young went on to state that whilst the numbers are fantastic, the strength of our sport brings with it some enormous logistical issues such as resources to ensure our compliance with traffic approval guidelines and the protection of our members whilst competing on open roads.
These are huge fields with 440 plus riders participating. At this stage, despite our best endeavours to seek assistance from Clubs to help out in critical areas, we are short on Volunteers especially those required to set up the course and accredited traffic marshals to man key intersections. Without these people it will be impossible to run the event. We are pleading with Clubs to come forward and assist in both these areas to avoid disappointment for their members.
We currently need 5 accredited traffic controllers and two experienced persons to set up the course in accordance with the approved TMP.
A decision will need to be made by Cycling NSW next Tuesday on whether the event will be able to run if we do not get the necessary assistance from Clubs.
If you can help please contact Aleece Longbottom at Cycling NSW on 9738 5850 or by email: aleece.longbottom@cycling.org.au
A record 110 teams have entered for Sunday weeks NSW Team Time Trial Championships to be held at Somersby, NSW’s Central Coast.
CEO Kevin Young says the numbers confirm the strength of our sport with 27 of our 58 Clubs entering teams in this years championships. It also includes a record 17 Women/Masters Women teams which he states is fantastic for the sport.
Penrith Cycling Club lead the charge with 10 teams represented their Club in this years championships, closely followed by Northern Sydney CC (8 teams), Hunter Valley Vets CC (7 teams) and Sydney CC (7 Teams).
Mr. Young went on to state that whilst the numbers are fantastic, the strength of our sport brings with it some enormous logistical issues such as resources to ensure our compliance with traffic approval guidelines and the protection of our members whilst competing on open roads.
These are huge fields with 440 plus riders participating. At this stage, despite our best endeavours to seek assistance from Clubs to help out in critical areas, we are short on Volunteers especially those required to set up the course and accredited traffic marshals to man key intersections. Without these people it will be impossible to run the event. We are pleading with Clubs to come forward and assist in both these areas to avoid disappointment for their members.
We currently need 5 accredited traffic controllers and two experienced persons to set up the course in accordance with the approved TMP.
A decision will need to be made by Cycling NSW next Tuesday on whether the event will be able to run if we do not get the necessary assistance from Clubs.
If you can help please contact Aleece Longbottom at Cycling NSW on 9738 5850 or by email: aleece.longbottom@cycling.org.au
There's a few problems with me picking the time trial teams.
I would need to know everyone interested in advance, as there's no point selecting a rider in a team if they are not available to ride, or interested in riding.
Another issue arises when the numbers don't fit meaning some will miss out, this would leave me saying "rider A should be in the team, and rider B will have to miss out", though the reality could be that rider A doesn't really care to much, while rider B desperately wants to participate in the event. So rider A isn't really the best choice in the end.
A club ITT doesn't really provide the best benchmarks if not everyone participates, and it doesn't take into account current fitness levels, injuries, etc.
I could probably reccommend the best teams to enter based on what i know, but unless you're riding road opens a few times a year, my knowledge of your racing ability is most likely very limited.
I'll have to have a think about whether there is a good way to select teams, but in the end the best thing is probably to try and get teams finalised 1 week before entries close, therefore preventing any last minute rush to try and pull something together.
I would need to know everyone interested in advance, as there's no point selecting a rider in a team if they are not available to ride, or interested in riding.
Another issue arises when the numbers don't fit meaning some will miss out, this would leave me saying "rider A should be in the team, and rider B will have to miss out", though the reality could be that rider A doesn't really care to much, while rider B desperately wants to participate in the event. So rider A isn't really the best choice in the end.
A club ITT doesn't really provide the best benchmarks if not everyone participates, and it doesn't take into account current fitness levels, injuries, etc.
I could probably reccommend the best teams to enter based on what i know, but unless you're riding road opens a few times a year, my knowledge of your racing ability is most likely very limited.
I'll have to have a think about whether there is a good way to select teams, but in the end the best thing is probably to try and get teams finalised 1 week before entries close, therefore preventing any last minute rush to try and pull something together.
The suggestion for ITT was but one of the potential parameters for selection, one that can be considered to be objective. It's the subjective criteria that can potentially get people upset per your scenario. At the end of the day, using ITT result as a basis for the start of selection is hardly new.
One other problem with selecting teams is that anyone can enter, there's nothing i can do to stop people entering, and the people in the team are paying for their entry and have every right to decide who they want to ride with.
After thinking about it, I really don't see the usefulness in having a selection criteria to choose teams. Several teams were entered just by people talking to each other to decide their teams, and for me the forum seems to have complicated things for the possible creation of further teams. All it needs is for one person to ask another if they're interested, and then the 2 to find another, and then finally they find the last rider, Simple!!
After thinking about it, I really don't see the usefulness in having a selection criteria to choose teams. Several teams were entered just by people talking to each other to decide their teams, and for me the forum seems to have complicated things for the possible creation of further teams. All it needs is for one person to ask another if they're interested, and then the 2 to find another, and then finally they find the last rider, Simple!!
That should be motivation enough to train harder for the next 12 months! Pain is your friend!I would have loved to be included in a team for the TT (even if it was full of has-beens and never-was's) but I guess I was not good enough to be chosen.
At least you guys are lucky enough that you have the choice of entering several teams - us woman are lucky if we can scrape up one. I think with TT teams you need to get on the front foot, and not depend on forums or anyone else (including captains) to organise a team for you. Get on the phone, 'talk" or private message people to rally up your own team. People will ride with who they are used to riding with, or people they ride often or race with - so you can't take non selection as an exclusion. There were plenty of other DHBC mens masters that would have raced, but probably needed some one to give them a push. Looks like a good job for you next year Julio - rally up your team early!Sorry Julio, I thought it was me that was going to be left out.
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Hey Julio, can you be the reserve rider? In case one of the Masters is sick or injured.
And the programme, with exact start times:
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... rogram.pdf
And now I'm about to make a gently inquisitive phonecall to CNSW. There are women's Masters teams in there with elite members. Exactly what we were told we couldn't do! Not that we don't love our current line up.
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... rogram.pdf
And now I'm about to make a gently inquisitive phonecall to CNSW. There are women's Masters teams in there with elite members. Exactly what we were told we couldn't do! Not that we don't love our current line up.
Seems the elite women racing in the Masters teams are in fact of Masters age but have elite licences. Except Randwick Botany, which is an amalgamation of 2 teams after 4 members pulled up sick. 2 of those are genuine elite riders but CNSW felt sorry for them. So Amy, if someone gets the sniffles tomorrow you're in! Or if Jo ties one on at her school reunion Saturday night.
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Shamelessly stolen from sutherland cc forum, thanks Makka. I probably still owe you for that wheelrace victory you pushed me too.
State TTT Course Review
First half of TTT course: Somersby TTT Course first half (Note: Course starts from about 1.6k into the mapping - Pile Road)
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/35839138
Second half of TTT course (which is masters ITT course): Somersby State ITT Course Effort (28:10) (Note: course finishes at the 28:10 marker - Vera Place, about 17k)
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/35839135
For those looking for the full experience use the "player" to see where on the map the data is coming from.
I went up and rode the TTT course this morning. This is the same course as all Elite riders will do for their ITT course - but Masters will only do the "return" trip (second half).
I cruised over the first half (TTT course first half, "Somersby TTT Course first half") and put in an effort on the return trip. I based my riding on the cycling nsw google maps - so I should have it pretty right based on their maps. Looking at it when I got home though I didn't get all the way to the TTT turnaround - it looks like its further down a mild uphill road.
The start is pretty much uphill, left turn and continue uphill. So you lose all momentum quickly and the first few k's are all slowish uphill slogs. 170 metres elevation at the 2k mark rising 120m to 297m at the 8k mark.
After that its ok terrain wise for a while. You hit 2 x 90 degree bends that are blind but you can keep pedalling and go through at full blast without backing off, even through you can't see the exit. It's pretty close to the edge but you can be fast through them which is good cos you keep your momentum for the little flat straight between.
There are a few fields/paddocks around here so crosswinds are still an issue (think Dapto). A few rollers (some quite quick) bring you into Somersby shops where we usually turn from the highway onto the off ramp onto the old "dead road". You all know what this is like - mostly flattish with a little hilly bit, but the key thing is instead of turning left off it after about 5 k to go back onto the highway - instead you keep going straight and it goes into a steepish uphill.
Its really up and down from here to the turnaround. In a way its similar to the "old Calga" course - ie. "Its HARDER on the way OUT then FASTER on the WAY BACK"
Just before you hit the township you take a right turn (hopefully traffic controlled on the day as you cross the road to a sidestreet) and along to the turn around. I didn't go far enough along this road but it was basically an uphill slog.
I only cruised over this first half but I certainly used the little chain ring a few times.
For the return journey I put in an effort. The apparent start for the Masters ITT is from Memorial Drive, a sidestreet on this turnaround road. If you start your Masters ITT from here it's gonna be fast steep on the brakes driveway then sharp right turn then full gas for about 5k! It's a rollers course but its so fast that you can still roll over them at 35+.
Then it's a bit steeper and back onto the State Masters Course/dead road to freeway turnaround (in reverse). Plenty of short sharp pitches along here.
Make sure your bars are tight - its very bumpy all the way and when at full speed the bumps are quite abrupt!!
Once you get past the Somerbsy Shops (freeway turn off) its time to pick it up all the way home with a "generally" fast rolling finish. There is one long drag but I got over it in big chain ring. It was big chain all the way home from the half way turnaround.
It's just fast fast until you hit the big roundabout. According to my interpretation of the NSW Cycling google maps you FINISH by turning LEFT at the roundabout (which is opposed to turning RIGHT to go back to the start line) and start mild uphill before turning left and it goes up steeper and steeper (53-21/23) then a left turn into a sidestreet and along for about 150 metres before following the street around to a 50 metre UPHILL finish.
There is definately some time to be lost or gained in the last kilometre/800 metres.
NB - when travelling to the new course by car best to stay on the Freeway and go past the regular CALGA turnoff and turn left at WISEMANS FERRY ROAD (REPTILE PARK TURNOFF). Then it's only about a K to the large roundabout. Go LEFT for the start of the TTT into Pile Road. (Remember on the finish coming in the opposite direction you will go the opposite way to the Start when turning at the roundabout).
State TTT Course Review
First half of TTT course: Somersby TTT Course first half (Note: Course starts from about 1.6k into the mapping - Pile Road)
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/35839138
Second half of TTT course (which is masters ITT course): Somersby State ITT Course Effort (28:10) (Note: course finishes at the 28:10 marker - Vera Place, about 17k)
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/35839135
For those looking for the full experience use the "player" to see where on the map the data is coming from.
I went up and rode the TTT course this morning. This is the same course as all Elite riders will do for their ITT course - but Masters will only do the "return" trip (second half).
I cruised over the first half (TTT course first half, "Somersby TTT Course first half") and put in an effort on the return trip. I based my riding on the cycling nsw google maps - so I should have it pretty right based on their maps. Looking at it when I got home though I didn't get all the way to the TTT turnaround - it looks like its further down a mild uphill road.
The start is pretty much uphill, left turn and continue uphill. So you lose all momentum quickly and the first few k's are all slowish uphill slogs. 170 metres elevation at the 2k mark rising 120m to 297m at the 8k mark.
After that its ok terrain wise for a while. You hit 2 x 90 degree bends that are blind but you can keep pedalling and go through at full blast without backing off, even through you can't see the exit. It's pretty close to the edge but you can be fast through them which is good cos you keep your momentum for the little flat straight between.
There are a few fields/paddocks around here so crosswinds are still an issue (think Dapto). A few rollers (some quite quick) bring you into Somersby shops where we usually turn from the highway onto the off ramp onto the old "dead road". You all know what this is like - mostly flattish with a little hilly bit, but the key thing is instead of turning left off it after about 5 k to go back onto the highway - instead you keep going straight and it goes into a steepish uphill.
Its really up and down from here to the turnaround. In a way its similar to the "old Calga" course - ie. "Its HARDER on the way OUT then FASTER on the WAY BACK"
Just before you hit the township you take a right turn (hopefully traffic controlled on the day as you cross the road to a sidestreet) and along to the turn around. I didn't go far enough along this road but it was basically an uphill slog.
I only cruised over this first half but I certainly used the little chain ring a few times.
For the return journey I put in an effort. The apparent start for the Masters ITT is from Memorial Drive, a sidestreet on this turnaround road. If you start your Masters ITT from here it's gonna be fast steep on the brakes driveway then sharp right turn then full gas for about 5k! It's a rollers course but its so fast that you can still roll over them at 35+.
Then it's a bit steeper and back onto the State Masters Course/dead road to freeway turnaround (in reverse). Plenty of short sharp pitches along here.
Make sure your bars are tight - its very bumpy all the way and when at full speed the bumps are quite abrupt!!
Once you get past the Somerbsy Shops (freeway turn off) its time to pick it up all the way home with a "generally" fast rolling finish. There is one long drag but I got over it in big chain ring. It was big chain all the way home from the half way turnaround.
It's just fast fast until you hit the big roundabout. According to my interpretation of the NSW Cycling google maps you FINISH by turning LEFT at the roundabout (which is opposed to turning RIGHT to go back to the start line) and start mild uphill before turning left and it goes up steeper and steeper (53-21/23) then a left turn into a sidestreet and along for about 150 metres before following the street around to a 50 metre UPHILL finish.
There is definately some time to be lost or gained in the last kilometre/800 metres.
NB - when travelling to the new course by car best to stay on the Freeway and go past the regular CALGA turnoff and turn left at WISEMANS FERRY ROAD (REPTILE PARK TURNOFF). Then it's only about a K to the large roundabout. Go LEFT for the start of the TTT into Pile Road. (Remember on the finish coming in the opposite direction you will go the opposite way to the Start when turning at the roundabout).
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Ill make sure my mum takes some photos, though i will say now they wont be very good as camera scare her.
We'll call in Cyclingnews' technical editor James Huang to report on DHBC's TT bikes...Can someone please take photos? I particularly want photos of the bikes the Dulwich Hill Dawdlers will be riding!
The Dawdlers will be happy to know that the Team Time Trial Moustaches will be ready for use at Calga tomorrow.
Good riding to all our teams. Tail winds and strong muscles.
Good riding to all our teams. Tail winds and strong muscles.
Womans TT team Report:
Woman get off to a bad start.................Camilla has morning sickness.
Ok Ted in case you are panicking now, the first thing I see when the girls arrive in the car is Camilla barfing on the side of the road, and she didn't even have a drink last night. If this wasn't hilarious enough - Michele and Camilla haven't fitted their transponders on correctly - the cable ties get stuck in the spokes and dislodge the transponders which are now bent out of shape and point outward like wings (not good for wind resistance). Now to check if they are still working? The girls then proceed to give the officials a heart attack as they almost unknowingly walk over the finish line with their transponders in hand. To add final chaos to this drama Michele re-ties her transponder not only to the fork - but to the wheel spoke....no wonder her wheel won't spin.
Needless to say after all this....we did manage to start the race, but every one except for me had the same idea about the start formation - so a very disorganised & not very graceful take off....but we were off. The first half of the race was quite hilly within the first 4km. We picked up the pace quite a bit on the return and got some rhythm. We were over taken by a few teams but I am pretty sure we didn't come last, and I think we even overtook 1 team. Possibly a 5th or a 6th. All in all - it was great to have a DHBC woman's team enter. Congratulations to Eleri who did her first ever road race. Not an easy one to introduce her to racing that is for sure.
I must say though - we looked a lot more organised than the Team of Toff, Lindsay, Ian and Pete. Apart from all 4 of them wearing mustaches, only 3 made it to the start line and the gun was almost about to go off. Where is Ian???? Camilla/Mike are still taking off saddle bags and whatever is hanging off Ian's bike as he is trying to ride to the start line. He makes it with a second to spare. Another DHBC moment!!
I haven't caught up with the rest of the results yet, so hopefully they all had as much fun as I did.
Woman get off to a bad start.................Camilla has morning sickness.
Ok Ted in case you are panicking now, the first thing I see when the girls arrive in the car is Camilla barfing on the side of the road, and she didn't even have a drink last night. If this wasn't hilarious enough - Michele and Camilla haven't fitted their transponders on correctly - the cable ties get stuck in the spokes and dislodge the transponders which are now bent out of shape and point outward like wings (not good for wind resistance). Now to check if they are still working? The girls then proceed to give the officials a heart attack as they almost unknowingly walk over the finish line with their transponders in hand. To add final chaos to this drama Michele re-ties her transponder not only to the fork - but to the wheel spoke....no wonder her wheel won't spin.
Needless to say after all this....we did manage to start the race, but every one except for me had the same idea about the start formation - so a very disorganised & not very graceful take off....but we were off. The first half of the race was quite hilly within the first 4km. We picked up the pace quite a bit on the return and got some rhythm. We were over taken by a few teams but I am pretty sure we didn't come last, and I think we even overtook 1 team. Possibly a 5th or a 6th. All in all - it was great to have a DHBC woman's team enter. Congratulations to Eleri who did her first ever road race. Not an easy one to introduce her to racing that is for sure.
I must say though - we looked a lot more organised than the Team of Toff, Lindsay, Ian and Pete. Apart from all 4 of them wearing mustaches, only 3 made it to the start line and the gun was almost about to go off. Where is Ian???? Camilla/Mike are still taking off saddle bags and whatever is hanging off Ian's bike as he is trying to ride to the start line. He makes it with a second to spare. Another DHBC moment!!
I haven't caught up with the rest of the results yet, so hopefully they all had as much fun as I did.
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Race Report
Well what a beautiful day was turned on for us. The dawdlers all arrived in their own inimitable style and we could have used some of the material for a Marx bros skit. Nevertheless, when the lady said 'go' we all hit the line together - sans 'taches and various accoutrements (with my EPO inside!!) deemed unworthy (and after re-attaching some transponders with which we'd managed to wire three of the bikes together with).
Within minutes the start line was a distant memory as the pain set in. I was remembering 'Nam and how you were supposed to squeeze your cojones if you were shot to lessen the pain when I realised that my position on the aero-bars was doing this for me. I realised now that this remedy was a lie, and regretted not bringing the morphine.
Hang on a minute... I had images of us Time Trialling along in flawless fashion mile after mile, but this first hill seemed endless. In fact it was. We had entered the HILL CLIMB by mistake! Sorry guys, I must have misread the entry form and ticked the wrong bloody box.
If i'd known that it was a hill climb I would have brought my bike with the triple chain ring!
Anyway, because we'd all put on the wrong bloody gears the hill was a bit of a bugger and some of the other teams did go past us, so we shouted encouragement to them and ate the rest of the food we'd brought, to lighten the load.
We reached the turnaround just as the team in front's support car got bogged. We lost a bit of time hitching the bikes up to drag it out, but we knew we'd be able to make it up 'cos it would be all downhill.
Unfortunately, the gears we'd put on were for a Time Trial, not a Hill Climb and we really could have done with some 11 and 12s on the back end. So, a couple of other teams did go past, and we yelled encouragement to them as well. Luckily, some of the riders who'd got dropped off the other teams who'd gone past, caught up with us and we were able to draft off them.
In the end, we were justified in not taking our lights as we could see quite well from the glow of Toff's 70's dayglo aero bars, and we could see where the finish line must have been.
What a day! Thanks to everyone who bothered and we'll do it again next year, if they let us...
Dulwich Hill Dawdlers
Women's Team
Dulwich Hill Master's at the finish
Dulwich Hill Masters again! Smug!
Well what a beautiful day was turned on for us. The dawdlers all arrived in their own inimitable style and we could have used some of the material for a Marx bros skit. Nevertheless, when the lady said 'go' we all hit the line together - sans 'taches and various accoutrements (with my EPO inside!!) deemed unworthy (and after re-attaching some transponders with which we'd managed to wire three of the bikes together with).
Within minutes the start line was a distant memory as the pain set in. I was remembering 'Nam and how you were supposed to squeeze your cojones if you were shot to lessen the pain when I realised that my position on the aero-bars was doing this for me. I realised now that this remedy was a lie, and regretted not bringing the morphine.
Hang on a minute... I had images of us Time Trialling along in flawless fashion mile after mile, but this first hill seemed endless. In fact it was. We had entered the HILL CLIMB by mistake! Sorry guys, I must have misread the entry form and ticked the wrong bloody box.
If i'd known that it was a hill climb I would have brought my bike with the triple chain ring!
Anyway, because we'd all put on the wrong bloody gears the hill was a bit of a bugger and some of the other teams did go past us, so we shouted encouragement to them and ate the rest of the food we'd brought, to lighten the load.
We reached the turnaround just as the team in front's support car got bogged. We lost a bit of time hitching the bikes up to drag it out, but we knew we'd be able to make it up 'cos it would be all downhill.
Unfortunately, the gears we'd put on were for a Time Trial, not a Hill Climb and we really could have done with some 11 and 12s on the back end. So, a couple of other teams did go past, and we yelled encouragement to them as well. Luckily, some of the riders who'd got dropped off the other teams who'd gone past, caught up with us and we were able to draft off them.
In the end, we were justified in not taking our lights as we could see quite well from the glow of Toff's 70's dayglo aero bars, and we could see where the finish line must have been.
What a day! Thanks to everyone who bothered and we'll do it again next year, if they let us...
Dulwich Hill Dawdlers
Women's Team
Dulwich Hill Master's at the finish
Dulwich Hill Masters again! Smug!
In my first ever TTT, indeed first ever cycle race, I was keen to learn from my colleagues in the club. Girls, you were great! Dawdlers - I learned that racing doesn't have to be serious.
Our race started out OK - we got to the first roundabout almost in our agreed formation. Things fell apart for me not long after that when I "discovered" I just couldn't get up the hills as fast as everyone else. Well, really I already knew that. The hills went on for ever and a few teams passed us which is a bit demoralising. Actually the most demoralising one was the team that passed us at about the 4km mark! I think they won though which makes sense. The road surface was pretty rubbish.
At about the 20 km mark I told the others to go off without me. I hung on for a few kms after that until we hit another hill and they took off into the distance. Apart from about 5km when i thought I had taken the wrong turn becuase there were no bikes coming the other way, it was uneventful and I went as hard as I could. I'm glad I finished, about 5 mins after Jo, Camilla and Michele.
The start
The finish
Here's the Dawdler's start - it was shambolic it has to be said but you did all get over the line! Good to hear you made it to the other end. I'm sure eating all the food and the encouragement you gave to others stood you in good stead.
The Men's elite team start
Our race started out OK - we got to the first roundabout almost in our agreed formation. Things fell apart for me not long after that when I "discovered" I just couldn't get up the hills as fast as everyone else. Well, really I already knew that. The hills went on for ever and a few teams passed us which is a bit demoralising. Actually the most demoralising one was the team that passed us at about the 4km mark! I think they won though which makes sense. The road surface was pretty rubbish.
At about the 20 km mark I told the others to go off without me. I hung on for a few kms after that until we hit another hill and they took off into the distance. Apart from about 5km when i thought I had taken the wrong turn becuase there were no bikes coming the other way, it was uneventful and I went as hard as I could. I'm glad I finished, about 5 mins after Jo, Camilla and Michele.
The start
The finish
Here's the Dawdler's start - it was shambolic it has to be said but you did all get over the line! Good to hear you made it to the other end. I'm sure eating all the food and the encouragement you gave to others stood you in good stead.
The Men's elite team start
"On a planet with negative gravity I don't need to drop a hammer to know it will fall" - Spock. And I didn't need to do a time trial to know it would hurt.
For me a lot of the day was about getting my bike together. If you can't go fast you might as well ride with style and that was the Dawdler's claim to fame, so we were riding vintage - end of story... My project bike was done on a very limited time frame (two weeks from junk box to start line) and unlimited budget (cost was $50 - frame, new chain, cloth handle bar tape & gear cable). So my vintage Jim Lemon TT bike hung together for the 50km. Some of the highlights have been - learning about Jim Lemon, a Sydney frame builder from about 30 years ago. Riding on singles again and riding a TT bike that was not too far in design from what we ride everyday.
The race itself was a blast. Our aim was to start with 4 & finish with 4. I bogged down on every hill but the rest of the team kindly slowed up for me, it was total agony-face every hill. The singles/hubs (Suntour Sprint sealed bearing) combo and aero position meant every down hill was fast and I could usually get myself back to second/third wheel. I had a single chainwheel at front & 4 cogs at back (48 - 22,20,18,16) but I really just went from the 22 for climbing & 16 for everything else, this worked fine I really didn't need anything else (I'll go to 47 chainring however, when I can find an alloy one).
Congratulations to the other DHBC teams, we all looked great and our club was very well represented. I didn't see any results yet but I heard our women's team was not far behind the top placings.
For me a lot of the day was about getting my bike together. If you can't go fast you might as well ride with style and that was the Dawdler's claim to fame, so we were riding vintage - end of story... My project bike was done on a very limited time frame (two weeks from junk box to start line) and unlimited budget (cost was $50 - frame, new chain, cloth handle bar tape & gear cable). So my vintage Jim Lemon TT bike hung together for the 50km. Some of the highlights have been - learning about Jim Lemon, a Sydney frame builder from about 30 years ago. Riding on singles again and riding a TT bike that was not too far in design from what we ride everyday.
The race itself was a blast. Our aim was to start with 4 & finish with 4. I bogged down on every hill but the rest of the team kindly slowed up for me, it was total agony-face every hill. The singles/hubs (Suntour Sprint sealed bearing) combo and aero position meant every down hill was fast and I could usually get myself back to second/third wheel. I had a single chainwheel at front & 4 cogs at back (48 - 22,20,18,16) but I really just went from the 22 for climbing & 16 for everything else, this worked fine I really didn't need anything else (I'll go to 47 chainring however, when I can find an alloy one).
Congratulations to the other DHBC teams, we all looked great and our club was very well represented. I didn't see any results yet but I heard our women's team was not far behind the top placings.
At least only the bikes in this team were vintage.....the rider's of course were younger, in spirit and in age!Quite so, Lindsay. I hadn't raced my Pinny for 16 years. It was sweet - and in such fine company.
RESULTS ARE UP......DAMN Dulwich Hill Dawdlers beat the woman by a nose!!!
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... tm#Results
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Well, I'm still getting over the start!
The Dawdlers extensive training program, well rehearsed smoothness and precision tactics all paid off right from the beginning.
Toff arrives minutes before the Off and got signed on, numbered up and transponder fixed in a blur of gloved hands and cable ties.
At the Startline, we were informed, fairly directly, that our moustaches were UCI Illegal. We had to shave them off right there at the Startline.
At this point, Ian decided that Nature Was Calling and He Must Answer. He rode off on the Pinarello in search of a Portaloo.
We were eight seconds off the start, trying our best to distract the flag marshal from his job, with no third member in sight.
Right on the bang, Ian coasts through, Mike Clements saving the day by stuffing a transponder and racing number into the moving jersey pocket, and away we went.
Eleri, thanks for the fantastic photographs. I fell off my chair laughing seeing the Dawdlers Start immortalised on screen.
Of all the teams on the day, nobody had a start like ours!
However, all the grace and pace of the start disappeared quickly as the initial series of hillclimbs played their cruel game on us.
We kept at it though, with Toff keeping us honed with cracks like "Up it a Cupla Kays" and "All on?" and "If you lot can still talk, we're not going fast enough!"
He did a brave and big hearted job on the front for a lot of the race, and kept the focus strong.
Toff reacted whenever he heard the sound of us trying to unwrap the sandwiches behind him and he would pile on the pace.
We did get passed by a few groups of cyclists, but they were going faster than us.
As Lindsay said "It was a blast". There were many highlights on the day, but one of the most heartening was earlier meeting up with the Womens Team just as they finished. They were really buzzing, and I know that made us feel better about the test to come.
It was a real pleasure riding with the Dawdlers. Many thanks to all.
We'll be back!
Guys - to everyone - job well done. Sounds like a fun, but hard day out. Some great shots. Stuart I'm sure will have some great ammo for our website for some time, from the vintage team, to the womens, to the aero helmet dudes.
Sounds like there will be great interest for next year, and 51 weeks to train!
Sounds like there will be great interest for next year, and 51 weeks to train!
Well, for the Elite men it was a hard ride, and being sick most of the week leading up didn't help me much, but we got through it.
The big problem we had was trying to hear each other with the Aero helmets on (all you hear is the wind), so on the early hills with probably an insufficient warmup, me and Simon were trying to hang on as best we could and yelling for an easing of the pace when necessary. Of course this didn't always work and Alex didn't hear once and was off on his own while we worked hard to try and catch up, but luckily he eventually realised. Getting close to the first turn around, Simon dropped his chain and had trouble getting it back on, but Me, Matt, and Alex didn't realise, and when we looked back he was nowhere in sight. So, with the decision made on who was getting dropped, it was 3 of us for the remaining 55km. Alex did some great work, with Matt putting in his fair share, while i just hung onto the back as best i could, only hitting the front a few times during the time trial.
Overall, i'm quite happy with our result. Under 2hrs, but plenty of room to improve with better form and health.
My garmin log from the time trial can be seen HERE, and yes, my heart rate is unusually high (normal for me).
The big problem we had was trying to hear each other with the Aero helmets on (all you hear is the wind), so on the early hills with probably an insufficient warmup, me and Simon were trying to hang on as best we could and yelling for an easing of the pace when necessary. Of course this didn't always work and Alex didn't hear once and was off on his own while we worked hard to try and catch up, but luckily he eventually realised. Getting close to the first turn around, Simon dropped his chain and had trouble getting it back on, but Me, Matt, and Alex didn't realise, and when we looked back he was nowhere in sight. So, with the decision made on who was getting dropped, it was 3 of us for the remaining 55km. Alex did some great work, with Matt putting in his fair share, while i just hung onto the back as best i could, only hitting the front a few times during the time trial.
Overall, i'm quite happy with our result. Under 2hrs, but plenty of room to improve with better form and health.
My garmin log from the time trial can be seen HERE, and yes, my heart rate is unusually high (normal for me).
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